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		<title>By: em-PHA-sis on the wrong syl-LA-ble or Hesitancy and &#8220;digital literacy&#8221; &#124; Leading From The Heart</title>
		<link>http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/06/21/literacies-digital-and-otherwiseor-not/comment-page-1/#comment-436</link>
		<dc:creator>em-PHA-sis on the wrong syl-LA-ble or Hesitancy and &#8220;digital literacy&#8221; &#124; Leading From The Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christopher Parsons</title>
		<link>http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/06/21/literacies-digital-and-otherwiseor-not/comment-page-1/#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the most substantative element of the &#039;classical&#039; education wasn&#039;t so much the teacher disseminating knowledge to the uneducated masses, though that was certainly an element of it. What I see is more significant is the focus on mobilizing and orienting thought processes - that is to say, on the metaphysical discourse that historically has shaped world perceptions. In this sense, Aristotle and Plato (amongst others, of course) were taught and provided students with divergent ways of perceiving the world. In a contemporary setting, of course, there would hopefully be less emphasis on &#039;this is the right way to approach reality&#039;, and instead students would be encouraged to develop their own ways of integrating and understanding their worldview.

The theory that was imbedded in the &#039;classical&#039; education in many ways can be read as faulty - this is true of a great deal of the theorums of modernity that ordered the world - but I guess I get nervous that the baby has been thrown out with the bathwater (and this concern, in particular, very much does stem from my own thesis work concerning the modernity :P ). I guess I would be more comfortable/less uneasy if students were clearly embedded in an educational system that not only saw value in drawing on theoretical theorums (which they do now), but also saw value in teaching students what those theorums were, why they were, and how to question them. Students already do some of this, but oftentimes in reaction to the expressions of the teaching theory - they have to guess at the actual guiding principles behind education. 

Once students grasp the educational and broader theories that drive how they are taught to engage with media, they develop a skill-set that extends well beyond the tool, skill, or efficiency, and experience (what I think is) an incredibly transformative element of education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the most substantative element of the &#8216;classical&#8217; education wasn&#8217;t so much the teacher disseminating knowledge to the uneducated masses, though that was certainly an element of it. What I see is more significant is the focus on mobilizing and orienting thought processes &#8211; that is to say, on the metaphysical discourse that historically has shaped world perceptions. In this sense, Aristotle and Plato (amongst others, of course) were taught and provided students with divergent ways of perceiving the world. In a contemporary setting, of course, there would hopefully be less emphasis on &#8216;this is the right way to approach reality&#8217;, and instead students would be encouraged to develop their own ways of integrating and understanding their worldview.</p>
<p>The theory that was imbedded in the &#8216;classical&#8217; education in many ways can be read as faulty &#8211; this is true of a great deal of the theorums of modernity that ordered the world &#8211; but I guess I get nervous that the baby has been thrown out with the bathwater (and this concern, in particular, very much does stem from my own thesis work concerning the modernity <img src='http://leadingfromtheheart.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  ). I guess I would be more comfortable/less uneasy if students were clearly embedded in an educational system that not only saw value in drawing on theoretical theorums (which they do now), but also saw value in teaching students what those theorums were, why they were, and how to question them. Students already do some of this, but oftentimes in reaction to the expressions of the teaching theory &#8211; they have to guess at the actual guiding principles behind education. </p>
<p>Once students grasp the educational and broader theories that drive how they are taught to engage with media, they develop a skill-set that extends well beyond the tool, skill, or efficiency, and experience (what I think is) an incredibly transformative element of education.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/06/21/literacies-digital-and-otherwiseor-not/comment-page-1/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we are definitely in a period that is shifting away from a classical liberal education. As a teacher, I am no longer the bearer of knowledge that remains hidden from the student until I share it with them. Knowledge is available everywhere. I need to show my students how to organize it, sift through it, make critical decisions about it, and gain a deep understanding of the world and their place in it, not to mention how to get along and work with others while they are doing the same thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we are definitely in a period that is shifting away from a classical liberal education. As a teacher, I am no longer the bearer of knowledge that remains hidden from the student until I share it with them. Knowledge is available everywhere. I need to show my students how to organize it, sift through it, make critical decisions about it, and gain a deep understanding of the world and their place in it, not to mention how to get along and work with others while they are doing the same thing!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Parsons</title>
		<link>http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/06/21/literacies-digital-and-otherwiseor-not/comment-page-1/#comment-394</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there are multiple ways of engaging students, multiple different approaches to teaching, etc. My concern is that education has historically focused on guiding students towards particular resources -this has been a genuine issue, as disciminatory attitudes, etc were propogated by this means of education. At the same time, however, I worry that there isn&#039;t a cohesive enough theory that runs behind the present modes of education (save for &#039;efficiency&#039; and &#039;skill-based&#039; learning) to give students the ability to cohesively take abstract thought and bring it to any area that they enter into. Just teaching students how to do a mash-up, without focusing on the &#039;why this is important&#039; (preferably before actually teaching the skill...) is an issue for educational systems.

There are clearly many helpful modes of approaching education (and I want to note that I wasn&#039;t in any way trying to suggest that you lack a cohesive education philosophy or anything like that) but when I hear about &#039;digital literacies&#039; and other &#039;brands&#039; of literacy it often seems that educators speak about the need to &#039;prepare&#039; students for the workforce by focusing on skills and data. A core complaint from employers is that students don&#039;t know enough &#039;real world things&#039; and so educational systems are shifting to produce workers that are intended to meet social labor demand (at least this is my experience in the University system). That seems to be a somewhat poor way of reorienting an eduational system, and a way that is very much at odds with the valorized &#039;classical liberal education.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there are multiple ways of engaging students, multiple different approaches to teaching, etc. My concern is that education has historically focused on guiding students towards particular resources -this has been a genuine issue, as disciminatory attitudes, etc were propogated by this means of education. At the same time, however, I worry that there isn&#8217;t a cohesive enough theory that runs behind the present modes of education (save for &#8216;efficiency&#8217; and &#8217;skill-based&#8217; learning) to give students the ability to cohesively take abstract thought and bring it to any area that they enter into. Just teaching students how to do a mash-up, without focusing on the &#8216;why this is important&#8217; (preferably before actually teaching the skill&#8230;) is an issue for educational systems.</p>
<p>There are clearly many helpful modes of approaching education (and I want to note that I wasn&#8217;t in any way trying to suggest that you lack a cohesive education philosophy or anything like that) but when I hear about &#8216;digital literacies&#8217; and other &#8216;brands&#8217; of literacy it often seems that educators speak about the need to &#8216;prepare&#8217; students for the workforce by focusing on skills and data. A core complaint from employers is that students don&#8217;t know enough &#8216;real world things&#8217; and so educational systems are shifting to produce workers that are intended to meet social labor demand (at least this is my experience in the University system). That seems to be a somewhat poor way of reorienting an eduational system, and a way that is very much at odds with the valorized &#8216;classical liberal education.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/06/21/literacies-digital-and-otherwiseor-not/comment-page-1/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher, do you not think there can be more than one way of critically engaging with one&#039;s environment, more than one method of understanding the world one lives in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher, do you not think there can be more than one way of critically engaging with one&#8217;s environment, more than one method of understanding the world one lives in?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Parsons</title>
		<link>http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/06/21/literacies-digital-and-otherwiseor-not/comment-page-1/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that my worry regarding &#039;literacies&#039; really comes from the &#039;why&#039; perspective - is literacy about a skill-set, and a critical analytic ability? I tend to think that it&#039;s the latter, and that the former should be involved in actively learning how to critically engage with one&#039;s environment. Teaching for the ability means that what they learn is portable across varying skill-sets. At the same time, that analytic abiility is backed by a particular epistemological framework, one that at least the educator ought to be aware of, and that framework is responsible for delineating what is negatively, and positively, valued. 

I just put together a post on literacy that builds on this a bit on my edublog, you might find it interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that my worry regarding &#8216;literacies&#8217; really comes from the &#8216;why&#8217; perspective &#8211; is literacy about a skill-set, and a critical analytic ability? I tend to think that it&#8217;s the latter, and that the former should be involved in actively learning how to critically engage with one&#8217;s environment. Teaching for the ability means that what they learn is portable across varying skill-sets. At the same time, that analytic abiility is backed by a particular epistemological framework, one that at least the educator ought to be aware of, and that framework is responsible for delineating what is negatively, and positively, valued. </p>
<p>I just put together a post on literacy that builds on this a bit on my edublog, you might find it interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: An Essential Question for EdTech &#124; Leading From The Heart</title>
		<link>http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/06/21/literacies-digital-and-otherwiseor-not/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>An Essential Question for EdTech &#124; Leading From The Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Recently I wrote a post on digital literacy within the wider context of literacy and, in writing, touched on what I realize is central to my own teaching: an essential question for educators today is how do we integrate literacies in our students? and in ... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Recently I wrote a post on digital literacy within the wider context of literacy and, in writing, touched on what I realize is central to my own teaching: an essential question for educators today is how do we integrate literacies in our students? and in &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/06/21/literacies-digital-and-otherwiseor-not/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how you write this, Dennis:

&quot;Literacy is about being able to make sense of the world we live in&quot;

and if we are concerned with learners making sense of their world we need to make sure we teach them literacy skills that are pertinent to the world they live in.

A great man once said...learn the way they live...

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how you write this, Dennis:</p>
<p>&#8220;Literacy is about being able to make sense of the world we live in&#8221;</p>
<p>and if we are concerned with learners making sense of their world we need to make sure we teach them literacy skills that are pertinent to the world they live in.</p>
<p>A great man once said&#8230;learn the way they live&#8230;</p>
<p> <img src='http://leadingfromtheheart.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Harter</title>
		<link>http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/06/21/literacies-digital-and-otherwiseor-not/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Harter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.

Completely agreed.  Literacy is so multi-faceted now, that it would do damage to think of them separately (despite the word choices of my comment).  Instead, we have to emphasize that a literate person is one who is proficient at all of these and can use them interchangeably and appropriately.

As important as the proficiency is of course the ability to recognize and CHOOSE appropriately - take texting language for example.

Literacy is about being able to make sense of the world we live in.  It&#039;s why I&#039;m &quot;literate&quot; in English, but not literate in Thai.  And it&#039;s why so many are still not literate online.

Thanks for reading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>Completely agreed.  Literacy is so multi-faceted now, that it would do damage to think of them separately (despite the word choices of my comment).  Instead, we have to emphasize that a literate person is one who is proficient at all of these and can use them interchangeably and appropriately.</p>
<p>As important as the proficiency is of course the ability to recognize and CHOOSE appropriately &#8211; take texting language for example.</p>
<p>Literacy is about being able to make sense of the world we live in.  It&#8217;s why I&#8217;m &#8220;literate&#8221; in English, but not literate in Thai.  And it&#8217;s why so many are still not literate online.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading!</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Profe</title>
		<link>http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/06/21/literacies-digital-and-otherwiseor-not/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Profe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Tracy.

With Voice Thread, getting the students to practice their oral skills using a different format other than a standard digital voice recorder, while responding to topics of interest to them.  As for the blog, much the same; guiding them with topic to which to respond in writing, while also getting them to take some ownership and post material of their own.

At least, this is what I have in mind, while I am more refreshed.:)  We&#039;ll see what the new year brings when it arrives.

I am interested in exploring Photo Story.  I think the students would like posting photos - their own or from sites such as Flickr, and creating stories in Spanish.  Thank your for mentioning Photo Story.

I think that much of my reluctance is fear.  No, really.  I need to increase my own comfort level in learning alongside the students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Tracy.</p>
<p>With Voice Thread, getting the students to practice their oral skills using a different format other than a standard digital voice recorder, while responding to topics of interest to them.  As for the blog, much the same; guiding them with topic to which to respond in writing, while also getting them to take some ownership and post material of their own.</p>
<p>At least, this is what I have in mind, while I am more refreshed.:)  We&#8217;ll see what the new year brings when it arrives.</p>
<p>I am interested in exploring Photo Story.  I think the students would like posting photos &#8211; their own or from sites such as Flickr, and creating stories in Spanish.  Thank your for mentioning Photo Story.</p>
<p>I think that much of my reluctance is fear.  No, really.  I need to increase my own comfort level in learning alongside the students.</p>
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