Comments on: how does technology fit with learning? http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/ "classroom teachers are the only real agents of school reform..." Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:02:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Tracy http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-157 Tracy Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:50:08 +0000 http://leadingfromtheheart.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/#comment-157 Actually, TeacherJay, I quoted Justin's post. I believe that this is what you are referring to: <blockquote><em>Justin asks these important questions: So what technology skills do students NEED to know? You ask 10 educators this question and they will give out 10 different answers. Terms like Power Point,Word, Dream Weaver, Web Search often appear in them. Should they not be replaced with with words like: Communicate, Write, Evaluate, and Think?</em></blockquote> I agree wholeheartedly with your comment when you write <blockquote><em>In everything we (teachers) teach we give students basic skills and then expect them to apply those - shouldn’t we be doing the same for technology skills?</em></blockquote> In fact, that was the gyst of this post and those by Justin and Dennis I referenced in it! Though, I'm not sure how much of the <em>skill</em> we actually have to teach. With technology, our students already know a lot of the basic skills. I'd much prefer to focus on application than on the skill. I find that much too much time is spent on skill attainment, especially in regards to tech, of skills that students already have! It's definitely heartening to see that there are a number of us thinking along the same lines. thanks for the comment :) Actually, TeacherJay, I quoted Justin’s post. I believe that this is what you are referring to:

Justin asks these important questions:
So what technology skills do students NEED to know?
You ask 10 educators this question and they will give out 10 different answers.
Terms like Power Point,Word, Dream Weaver, Web Search often appear in them.
Should they not be replaced with with words like: Communicate, Write, Evaluate, and Think?

I agree wholeheartedly with your comment when you write

In everything we (teachers) teach we give students basic skills and then expect them to apply those – shouldn’t we be doing the same for technology skills?

In fact, that was the gyst of this post and those by Justin and Dennis I referenced in it!

Though, I’m not sure how much of the skill we actually have to teach. With technology, our students already know a lot of the basic skills. I’d much prefer to focus on application than on the skill. I find that much too much time is spent on skill attainment, especially in regards to tech, of skills that students already have!

It’s definitely heartening to see that there are a number of us thinking along the same lines.

thanks for the comment :)

]]> By: TeacherJay http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-156 TeacherJay Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:43:18 +0000 http://leadingfromtheheart.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/#comment-156 Tracy, It is interesting how you mention PowerPoint as a "skill" that teachers feel should be taught. I have seen PowerPoint used in disastrous ways and have always felt that too much attention was paid to the software and not what it was being used for. I have been teaching computer skills to adults and college students for the last 4 years. I always create authentic projects and we learn the software that way. For example, with college students, we created a spreadsheet to calculate GPA and many other numbers, such as within major, out of major, percent completion, etc. It has graphs, conditional formatting, locked cells, macros, etc. They learned a lot about Excel and were able to use it in a meaningful way to create something that is actually useful. In everything we (teachers) teach we give students basic skills and then expect them to apply those - shouldn't we be doing the same for technology skills? As a former elementary school teacher, I hate to see MS Office in some classrooms - it is a business software and should not be used with such young students. Tracy,
It is interesting how you mention PowerPoint as a “skill” that teachers feel should be taught. I have seen PowerPoint used in disastrous ways and have always felt that too much attention was paid to the software and not what it was being used for. I have been teaching computer skills to adults and college students for the last 4 years. I always create authentic projects and we learn the software that way. For example, with college students, we created a spreadsheet to calculate GPA and many other numbers, such as within major, out of major, percent completion, etc. It has graphs, conditional formatting, locked cells, macros, etc. They learned a lot about Excel and were able to use it in a meaningful way to create something that is actually useful. In everything we (teachers) teach we give students basic skills and then expect them to apply those – shouldn’t we be doing the same for technology skills? As a former elementary school teacher, I hate to see MS Office in some classrooms – it is a business software and should not be used with such young students.

]]> By: Tracy http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-155 Tracy Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:40:40 +0000 http://leadingfromtheheart.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/#comment-155 I hope that this conversation continues, Topher, though I don't find it sad at all! It is conversations like these that spur change, that spur movement. The more we talk about shifting waters in education with our colleagues the more likely the waters will flow in the directions we need to go. Your comments got me thinking, and inspired my latest post :) I hope that this conversation continues, Topher, though I don’t find it sad at all! It is conversations like these that spur change, that spur movement. The more we talk about shifting waters in education with our colleagues the more likely the waters will flow in the directions we need to go.

Your comments got me thinking, and inspired my latest post :)

]]> By: Topher http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-154 Topher Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:35:57 +0000 http://leadingfromtheheart.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/#comment-154 This is a great discussion Tracy, and, sadly, I think it needs to continue. I taught IT (grades 8-11) for a number of years. I stopped teaching most of the software bundles and instead gave students reasons to use them. If they understand the basics of most applications they will quickly learn to make things with them. I compare it to a shop teacher teaching students how to use tools without ever giving them a chance to make anything with them. Or in my own experience at a school in England, for three years we were taught many of the in and outs of musical notation and transcription, without ever being given an instrument to play. Seriously. We have had these computers for many years now. The novelty is gone. All teachers need to get on to letting students create bigger and better things with them -- whether the teacher understands the machine or not. Topher. This is a great discussion Tracy, and, sadly, I think it needs to continue. I taught IT (grades 8-11) for a number of years. I stopped teaching most of the software bundles and instead gave students reasons to use them. If they understand the basics of most applications they will quickly learn to make things with them.

I compare it to a shop teacher teaching students how to use tools without ever giving them a chance to make anything with them. Or in my own experience at a school in England, for three years we were taught many of the in and outs of musical notation and transcription, without ever being given an instrument to play. Seriously.

We have had these computers for many years now. The novelty is gone. All teachers need to get on to letting students create bigger and better things with them — whether the teacher understands the machine or not.

Topher.

]]> By: dharter http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-153 dharter Thu, 02 Aug 2007 04:23:13 +0000 http://leadingfromtheheart.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/#comment-153 The great thing about sharing is hearing positive thoughts and reinforcement from others! Thank you for sharing your and our ideas with others. Justin and I are working on putting together some curricular attempts to answer those questions that you ask. An embedded tech curriculum based on thinking and collaborating and analazying and creating and making decisions that can work alongside (and perhaps someday over) a curriculum based on knowledge content. It's exciting stuff....a little daunting...but exciting nonetheless. Keep checking our blogs (<a href="http://dharter.edublogs.org/" rel="nofollow">Dennis</a> and <a href="http://medagogy.edublogs.org" rel="nofollow">Justin</a>) for more thoughts on it as we proceed. The great thing about sharing is hearing positive thoughts and reinforcement from others! Thank you for sharing your and our ideas with others.
Justin and I are working on putting together some curricular attempts to answer those questions that you ask. An embedded tech curriculum based on thinking and collaborating and analazying and creating and making decisions that can work alongside (and perhaps someday over) a curriculum based on knowledge content.
It’s exciting stuff….a little daunting…but exciting nonetheless. Keep checking our blogs (Dennis and Justin) for more thoughts on it as we proceed.

]]> By: ksblues http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-152 ksblues Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:45:38 +0000 http://leadingfromtheheart.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/how-does-technology-fit-with-learning/#comment-152 Tracy, I really enjoyed this post. I've been teaching middle school Tech Ed courses for 2 years now, and it has only been about 2 months since Web 2.0/participatory learning really entered into my line of sight. I feel as if I've entered into a new world, one my students are actually better prepared to navigate than I am. But that's where my excitement really starts to surge. I will be unleashing a collaborative LMS, Blogs, Podcasts, slideshare, jing, skypecasts, embedded video, etc. on them for the first time this year .... all of which seem completely novel to me. In truth, I fully expect them to ask me what rock I've been hiding under that I don't already know what all this stuff is and how it works! :) Again, enjoyed your post. Thanks for your efforts! Kevin Sandridge http://notesfromtheridge.edublogs.org Tracy, I really enjoyed this post. I’ve been teaching middle school Tech Ed courses for 2 years now, and it has only been about 2 months since Web 2.0/participatory learning really entered into my line of sight.

I feel as if I’ve entered into a new world, one my students are actually better prepared to navigate than I am. But that’s where my excitement really starts to surge. I will be unleashing a collaborative LMS, Blogs, Podcasts, slideshare, jing, skypecasts, embedded video, etc. on them for the first time this year …. all of which seem completely novel to me. In truth, I fully expect them to ask me what rock I’ve been hiding under that I don’t already know what all this stuff is and how it works! :)

Again, enjoyed your post. Thanks for your efforts!

Kevin Sandridge
http://notesfromtheridge.edublogs.org

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